
I recently read an article in the New York Times that explained how Atheists in Britain, with the strong celebrity of Dr. Richard Dawkins at the helm, launched a campaign to preach a godless message across their country via bus advertisements.
I shared the article with my Apologetics students (I'm a teacher at a private school) and asked them to give me their initial thoughts. Most of the kids were filled with outrage. "We should hit back with our own billboards", one yelled. "Yea, and the government shouldn't let Atheists write that kind of stuff anyway, it should be illegal", agreed another.
I kept a blank face while I listened to the students campaign for censorship and more aggressive proselytizing, but in my heart I sighed with discouragement. These kids don't hear anything I say, I thought to myself, despite months of instruction, they still see these issues in only two dimensions. But then, to my great astonishment, one my students bravely put forth a different opinion.
"Well wait a minute", he said with conviction, "haven't we been talking about this all quarter? Before we can just go off half cocked on these ads and the Atheists who put them there, we need to ask ourselves questions about why this is happening in the first place, put ourselves in their shoes." I held my breath as he looked at me for permission to continue his thought, I nodded hiding my excitement.
"Well, what made these people feel it was necessary to put these ads on buses in the first place? Maybe its them who are striking back, at us, not starting a fight or anything. Maybe we started it." A few of the other students began to release furrowed brows as they leaned in to listen. The brave young man continued, "We can't just take aim and fire at them, getting our revenge or shutting them up. Jesus didn't tell us to do that, he told us to see things from their world, take pity on them, even turn the other cheek. And I think if we put ourselves in their shoes, we will understand why they might feel ads like this are necessary. Have you ever thought of how it feels, especially during the holidays, to be bombarded with advertisements talking about the religious reasons for the season? Or how many Christians start flooding their conversations with their christianese and religious verbage that makes zero sense to everyone around them? If I were an Atheist I would be pissed off to no end!"
The students shot a quick glance at me to see how I would respond to the outburst at the end of his explanation, I kept my poker face. Seeing he hadn't gone foul, he continued. "We should feel sad that we make Atheists feel like they need to defend themselves, sad that they are getting aggressive and pushy, because we caused it. We caused it because we made them our enemy after the scopes trial, we made them out to be devils and demons, opposing soldiers in some imaginary culture war. But Christ says our war isn't against flesh and blood, and you don't beat evil with matched aggression, you beat it with love, you beat it by laying down your swords. Fires aren't put out with more fire, they are put out with their opposite, water."
As the students reflected on what was said, they looked at me to measure my approval, which I could no longer fully conceal. With a smile, I held back the excitement in my voice and asked what he would propose Christians do in response to these signs. Sensing my probe for previous lessons in his next answer, he gladly regurgitated whatever he could. "Well" he began, "I would say we shouldn't respond to the intent of the signs, but to what caused them in the first place. We know that its hurt that caused the Atheists to do this, so we need to figure out how that happened, and work hard to fix those relationships. If we really love our neighbor, we should see these ads as a symptom of our broken relationship, not as an attack to be offended at."
He turned and addressed the class as he continued, "And why should we be upset about the message in the first place? The hardest thing in leading people to Christ is to break through their indifference to the 'meaning of life', 'reality of God' stuff anyway. These signs force people to wonder whether or not what they say is true, this practically invites conversation about God, thats the best possible thing that could happen for followers of Christ!"
The room suddenly glowed by the flame of his growing enthusiasm. "Can you imagine how great it would be to stand at a bus stop when one of these things pulls up? Standing next to all those strangers who are tilting their heads reading it, looking around puzzled and all that, how easy would it be to just ask them what they thought, begin a conversation about God's universe with nothing more than a nod and a 'get a load of that'. We should be thanking these guys for making our job easier, for daring the world to wonder about God instead of never stopping long enough to think it through at all. Instead of bursting in with our arguments for God and how much smarter we are than everybody else, we can ask questions and listen to peoples' hearts, hurts, and hell.
We can gently tell them, show them even, that God is real, and does love them. We can even apologize for causing the sign in the first place, and show these people who Christ really was, not the guy who chased people around trying to create a world where nobody thought differently than himself, but loved everybody unequivocally and regardless of their culture or their creed. We can finally say we are sorry for how badly we have misrepresented Christ, we can finally be, finally be...." he stammered trying to think of the right word. "Apologetic", I said, looking him in the eyes.
Suddenly the realization was palpable, the whole room had a new understanding of the subject of my class, and the method that must go behind it in these contentious, and difficult times. He smiled and nodded, then sat down satisfied that the point had been made. I couldn't have been more proud of my student that day, and I can only hope he rises up to become a voice of calm in the storm of ideas that he will face as an adult.
It's rare that a teacher gets to feel he's making a difference in the world. But when I get to hear a 16 year old kid talk like this, hear him blatantly reject the ideas of anger and revenge, to instead choose forgiveness and love, I feel like God has given me a glimpse into a brighter future. I don't think teachers like me bring these sorts of people into the world, I think God does. And since hearing this kid go off like that, my prayer everyday has been that God wouldn't let me get in the way of His revolution, that I wouldn't be the barricade that stops the voice of Christ from spilling out of the mouths of babes, but if I ever am, that He would rip through me without a moments pause.
God is good, my greatest accomplishment in life will have been getting out of His way, and I couldn't be happier than to have a legacy like that.
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as a brother-in-service (teacher & emergent), i'm in tears. particularly because i just got finished reading a note from a palestinian friend desperate to bring peace to gaza.
thank you for sharing that story. you have blessed my sabbath.
I am a Christian-turned-Atheist, and I cannot begin to tell you how horrible it has been since I lost my faith. The problem hasn't been due to any misery stemming from the lack of God in my life, the misery comes from the way people change around you once they find out that you don't believe as they do.
I understand how frustrating these billboards and bus advertisements can be to Christians. Before I lost my faith, I'm ashamed to say that I would have been with the fight-back crowd in your class. These adverts, however, do wonders as far as making us feel less isolated and marginalized.
Thank you for the work that you do. I really hope that I can live to see the day when those of faith and those without can come together to try to work towards a common good.
As an atheist, I find it rather refreshing to see this sort of perspective. One thing that all parties to this issue can agree upon is that discussion is important. I'm a strong believer in improving one's concept of the world through exposing yourself to all points of view on the subject. If I were to be a party to one of those hypothetical bus-stop conversations, I would be simply delighted - no matter what opinion the other people expressed.
One thing I take mild issue with, however, is the concept of approaching the atheist community from a perspective of pitying or guiding. The vast majority of atheists I know would be somewhat irritated at that, given that we do not believe we are pitiable, nor do we feel particularly astray. I've been waiting for the wonderful person that will try to simply convince me - because even given the unlikely possibility of success in such a task, the conversations that result when both parties to the discussion approach from that angle are much more enjoyable.
Also, as a Christian-returned-to-Atheism (as we are all born) I find it refreshing to know their is a community of freethinkers out there. Facing bigotry is hard, but there is strength in numbers.
The best thing Atheist/Agnostics/Freethinkers can do is to let everyone know we are out there, explain to them that we are not demons, we are humans, with good intentions for our fellow humans.
Hi,
Over from the friendly atheist. I agree that a kind and respectful approach is always better than an angry one. However, as the previous Anonymous said, I also take some issue with the approach of "taking pity" on atheists. Imagine Muslims taking the same kind of "pity" on Christians for not realizing the "truth" of the Koran. You would also take issue with the fact that Muslims think you're missing something in your life which deserves pity. Atheists just don't see any convincing evidence that any religious claims (not just the Christian ones) are true. I also don't really get the sentence "I don't think teachers like me bring these sorts of people into the world, I think God does." The first obvious comment, of course, is that you believe your Christian god-concept brings everyone into the world, including the most horrendous human beings on the planet, knowing beforehand how they will turn out because the Christian god-concept is omniscient. It reminds me of people who thank their god-concepts for good fortune, but somehow think that bad fortune comes from somewhere else. Secondly, given the fact that your Christian god-concept is defined as omniscient, this god would have already had in mind that you would have a certain influence on your students. In that sense, there is no actual difference between you forming your students in a particular way, and your god-concept bringing them as such into the world. For an omniscient god-concept, it's just two ways of arriving at the same result.
That's why I also never got the free will versus omniscient god thing. If your god is all-knowing, that would mean that he would be making souls knowing in advance whether these souls will or won't pass their test on earth. That kind of god-concept sounds positively cruel to me, especially given the claim that he is also all-loving.
Just a (free)thought.
Wim
Stockholm, Sweden
Kind of unique to find that more atheists have commented on this article than christians, but what the heck, I'll add my two cents worth. I frequent the atheist blog/forum Friendly Atheist (http://friendlyatheist.com/) and found the link to this page from there. If you're ever interested in seeing an atheist perspective on just about any question, by the way, that's a good place too. All atheists are different but there's a good selection of them on that blog, and the rabble-rousing on both sides is lower than any other page I've seen on any other forum I've run across on the internet.
That little advert out of the way, I want to thank you for posting this article and teaching a generation of young christians how to maturely relate to those of other/no faiths. I know that just in everyday company it's difficult to take a sympathetic tone with anything atheistic, and I imagine it must be even more difficult at an explicitly religious school. So, thank you for presenting our side.
--happycynic
> We can gently tell them, show them even, that God is real, and does love them.
There has been an endless stream of telling. If this student would like to encourage Christians to start showing (evidence and reason), rather than telling (assertion), that would be wonderful.
Figure I should post a premptive "he works in mysterious ways" before a Christian does. He was indeed created by man in mysterious ways.
Hi, another atheist coming in from "The Friendly Atheist." I don't want to be too strident, because we are supposed to be "friendly," after all. But I don't see this student's response as that amazing.
The corresponding religious sign would be one saying "There probably is a god." I see dozens of church signs and billboards much more emphatic and proselytizing than that all the time, and I don't get mad. I don't describe my reaction as "turning the other cheek," because it doesn't occur to me that seeing other people publicly advertise their beliefs is an assault. I don't ask what terrible things me or other non-theists must have done, that these Christians would become so "aggressive and pushy," and "attack" me, by putting up signs stating their belief in this Jesus fellow. And I don't "pity" them. I just say "Huh, looks like someone believes something different than I do, and has decided to advertise it. OK, that's pretty unremarkable."
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that this student opposes censorship and tries to put himself in the shoes of atheist, and I think it's great that you've shown him how to look at things from other perspectives. I just think that even the "good" student still has a ways to go.
Wow, I am really flattered at how many people posted comments on this, thanks to all of you for taking the time to leave feedback. For those who noted the lack of humility in the "pity" bit, I really want to apologize for how that came off.
Please understand that in order to cure the anger and bitterness many Christians show atheists, I teach a sort of chemotherapy of pity and self questioning. Of course pity can, just like chemo, be deadly and harmful, but for the purposes of my class, it works to kill the tumors Christian culture may have planted in my students.
Thanks for all the kindness you all have shown here, it's a shame that civility and charity aren't a norm in inter faith (or lack of faith) dialog.
I am an atheist as well, and think that while we disagree, it feels like we could at least have a civil discussion about this topic.
What I really wanted to point out was to notice that the responses that have been left are civil and understanding. So many times both side's responses end up full of vitriol. I think this is the classic example that when both sides have their eyes open, the discussion can at least be civil.
Lastly, I'd suggest that most atheists also approach the faith community with pity. Pity for what we see as a lack of skepticism and reason. So while it might feel condescending, it is often there on both sides.
Yet another atheist here who came across this blog via The Friendly Atheist blog. All the main points I think have been expressed already so I'll just sort of 2nd or 3rd them.
I think this student of yours has the makings of a great leader one day, someone willing to think outside the box and find solutions through open communication and compassion rather than hate and anger, two things that ironically lead many away from religion in the first place. As previously stated by others, I'd nix the whole "pitying atheists" tact as we are not pitiful. Rather, from our perspective it's the religious who are the ones missing out. So pitying one another seems like the wrong way to go in any civil discourse.
I also agree with another commenter that while the holiday display in Washington's capitol was aggressive and inflammatory (and you may be surprised to know that many atheists are themselves divided on that one), there wasn't really anything that should be viewed as offensive about the UK bus ads. They were very benign, so I feel it's problem if that's all it takes to bring a room full of teenagers to seething rage. We live in a pluralistic, multicultural, democratic society. And if there's to any future for such a society we're all going to have to learn to live together in civility and peace, encouraging individuals to question their preconceived notions and to debate disagreements along with the issues of the day.
So if this student represents the kind of teaching you're doing then I'm grateful and I hope there are more teachers out there like you. Best of luck.
Your friendly neighborhood atheist,
-Michael
Look, no one would have a problem with believing/not believing if human rights weren't conditioned by that.
As long as Christians don't protest to the Vatican calling pedophilia a religious freedom, British clergy calling for an apartheid if women gain equal rights and the pope instigating to murder the gays while decrying "the mass murder that is abortion"... your silence makes you accomplices. Funny how everyone remembers "turn the other cheek" but if you look at history and statistics you see distinct categories (women, children, blacks and gays) having to do that over and over. What a coincidence that they're the chosen antagonists of religions all over the world ...
The 2nd sentence from the bus campaign - "Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" - i.e. "Mind your own business/salvation". Anyone has the right to believe that shepherds' writings from 2000 years ago, translated & re-translated are a spiritual path but when someone extracts barbaric references from them and applies them on another human being ... There's a video where chimps' behaviour is explained - a group picks on one that preffers to ba alone and they bully him for pleasure. Now, we don't suspect chimps have the brain to make up a "religious freedom" for that but we see a lot of humans intelectualizing their bigotry and primal instincts and proclaiming them "(traditional) values" (!). Yeah, look how far back in time the roots are ...
I'm writing this in hope that some (intentionally) misinformed young theist sees that we don't give a heck what goes on in his mind as long as he (as us atheists, naturalists, humanists, whatever) respects the constitutional rights and sees that his belief doesn't give him a permit/privilege to harm or censor.
Peace, folks ! How about you Christians buy some bus ads condemning home/school/street violence and the like ?
A few (but not all) of my fellow atheists over at Friendly Atheist thought that the young man's remarks were condescending for emphasizing what he thinks is "hurt" and of course proposing his remedy, but I have disagreed with them and these are the remarks I posted over there:
I don't see the young man’s response as deliberately condescending. It may be naive and burdened with some misconceptions about atheists because he's probably never actually known any atheists well enough to understand their experience more accurately, but it promises a far better outcome than the reaction of his fellow students.
The encouraging thing is that he made an attempt at empathy, accurately or not. That will improve with age and experience. He was also willing to take responsibility for how the dominance of Christians’ assumptions has allowed them to ignore, dismiss and suppress those who doubt, and so many Christians have become smug and intellectually fat and lazy. He is wisely saying that they should not continue in that manner.
The other students, immediately expressing outrage, threat, and aggression are doing what I would call reacting.
The one student, who talks about having dialogues and respectful interactions with atheists, fence-sitters or the simply disinterested is doing what I would call responding.
A reaction is instantaneous and done without circumspection. There is no stopping to consider alternate points of view. The focus is on the reactor’s needs only.
A response is more well considered and involves at least a modicum of examining other viewpoints. The focus is on the best outcome for all concerned.
I wish that more Christians would respond in the manner of this excellent young man. Not only would it encourage more searching dialogue between people, it would encourage more searching dialogue within people.
I hope your work continues to have results such as what you have shared in that exceptional student.
I ask one favor. Please do not capitalize "atheist." I know you don't mean to be, but it is annoying. It is not a proper noun because it is not a religion.
If I may provide another voice coming from FA:
I generally approve of the student's remarks, but while I can see how a Christian or other theist might find the ad aggressive in some sense, I don't think that it was necessarily attended as an attack. As a few of the Christians-turned-atheist above have noted, this ad has a primary benefit of allowing atheists to feel less isolated and more like an accepted member of their society. And there's something to be said for acceptance of others, even when it's not used as a precursor to trying to change their beliefs.
That said, while I realize that this incident involved a Christian audience (and so understand your chemo approach), the following words used above are good to avoid in any conversation in which you are attempting to convert an atheist: pity, sad, hurt, "broken relationship," "indifference to the 'meaning of life', 'reality of God.'" It doesn't even really depend on context; we're so used to hearing these terms in a negative, agressive context from Christians that we have an immediate innate dislike of them.
Hi
I came to your blog via friendlyatheist.com. I would first like to say that I enjoyed reading your post. It was refreshing in its approach, and confirms what I've always thought: if we are all so confident that we're right, why do we get so anxious about convincing others and silencing dissent? Discussion is fruitful to all involved. What did concern me was a line towards the end of your post, when you mentioned that the student in question was 16. Perhaps I'm wrong, and I'll apologize if I am, but I got the sense throughout that your student was being led by his need for his teacher's approval. And if that's the case, he's not genuinely thinking for himself, which surely misses the point of education.
Regards
It's quite incredible and humbling to hear something so mature and thoughtful from the mouth of such a young kid. There are plenty of adults who have been thinking about this subject their entire lives and struggle to compose anything nearly as eloquent given a good deal of time to do so, let alone on the spot in a classroom surrounded by peers.
I agree with most of what he has to say but one thing grates just the tiniest bit, and that is when he refers to atheists getting "aggressive and pushy". I find it difficult to equate anything in this ad campaign to aggression - the message is "there's probably no god so stop worrying and enjoy your life". It's the epitome of calm, passive rationality and hasn't a hint of anger about it. If such a message is aggressive and pushy then every sign outside a church extolling the virtues of Jesus/God must be tarred with the same brush - in fact more so, as a typical church billboard will be soaked in certainty, no probability or doubt involved whatsoever.
Good on the kid though, here's hoping that we see a lot more thoughtful Christians like him as opposed to the apparently rising tide of less-than-thoughtful (let's face it, braindead) fundamentalists who seem to be grabbing the headlines of late.
Still another atheist from Friendly Atheist. Despite what others have said on the subject, I can appreciate the boy's point of view. I was once a very active Christian, and I remember thinking how much must be missing from an atheists life without God and heaven.
My main reason for turning from Christianity was the hypocrisy. You have a lot of Christians telling everyone that God is love, and they go out of their way to hate everyone who's different than them. Jesus said turn the other cheek, but very few practice it. Jesus said give to the poor, but there are so many churches that preach that God gives material rewards on this earth and that the poor deserve their lot in life.
Hearing this from your student has definitely softened my heart a little. I'm very happy that one student gets it. However, I still have little hope for the rest of the majority of Christianity.
I do, however, wish you the best of luck in turning around their opinions and reactions.
Well yeah, but I think you’re still missing the point. Your guy starts with:
"Well, what made these people feel it was necessary to put these ads on buses in the first place? Maybe its them who are striking back, at us, not starting a fight or anything. Maybe we started it."
Pretty good, I agree. But it ends with him suggesting more of the same – using the bus sign to bother non believers with your delusions as usual (“begin a conversation about God's universe” as he put it).
Just a quick follow-up. Here's a few of the reasons I left Christianity:
http://theurbanfarmhouse.blogspot.com/2009/01/another-round-of-christian-tolerance.html
http://theurbanfarmhouse.blogspot.com/2008/11/more-of-that-old-time-tolerance.html
http://theurbanfarmhouse.blogspot.com/2008/11/another-round-of-tolerance.html
http://theurbanfarmhouse.blogspot.com/2008/11/more-on-tolerance.html
http://theurbanfarmhouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/shes-at-it-again.html
I'm listing these as my answer to your student's inquiry about hurts and/or wrongs that may have caused us to put up a billboard on a bus. The last link refers to a blog that was taken down by blogger for TOS violations (namely, she called for an act of terrorism that would have resulted in the murder of a school full of children), but the message is still valid.
Perhaps these may provide some interesting talking points in your class.
'We can even apologize for causing the sign in the first place, and show these people who Christ really was, not the guy who chased people around trying to create a world where nobody thought differently than himself, but loved everybody unequivocally and regardless of their culture or their creed. '
Wow!
These people really need to start to read their New Testaments.
Be happy your student spoke out against popular response,regardless of why.
Open minded,free thinking,always learning humanity should be everyone's goal.
I'm happy for your human morality and think you'll see the light isn't there one day.
Your everyday life loving atheist,
Matt
I applaud your efforts, and success, in teaching your students to approach conflict with an open mind and with the goal of resolving conflict equitably and not with the goal of conquering those who disagree with you.
We set ourselves up to fail when we manufacture reasons to divide ourselves. Religion is a particularly divisive system of belief and all rational people owe it to humanity to acknowledge that. We will only achieve solidarity by determining what we all share in common and laying to rest ancient beliefs which needlessly divide us.
Yet another atheist here, who feels that if there were some sort of all-loving deity, he'd look especially kindly on you.
Since most of the communication we get re religion from believers is either "none" or "You're going to hell and ruining the world in the meantime", it's no wonder so many people are leaving positive feedback for you. Here's to you as a good role-model for your students.
Hi, as an atheist, let me say that we don't need any big relationship mending. We're pretty much OK over here. We just want the theists to stop legislating their religion on to the rest of us. Thanks.
I am a Christian and a follower of Christ (the two do not always follow). I'd like to express my delight that you are having success in trying to teach young people to think in ways that often run counter to their nature.
Many of the other commentators here have found reasons to bristle at your student's words, but I would remind everyone that, were I to choose between a student who would express love of people who hold different views (and there is often anger and pain between these camps, as we can see here), and a student who could speak in a "correct" manner, but without this love, I would delight in student A (your student) too.
The strife between the theistic community and the atheistic community is at a volatile point, with members of both sides harboring anger and vitriol. The truth is that many people are not the least bit interested in mutual respect and in reconciliation, but in dominance and punishment.
When people from both camps learn to truly respect the worldview of their brothers and sisters from the other camp, that's when we will be demonstrating the love of one another that we each deserve. "Teaching" Christians to speak differently (or to avoid certain phrases, or what words to capitalize etc.) would be merely a band aid.
True transformation will not come through politics or grammar lessons, but from within us all.
Thank God for teachers like you who seek to teach another way, if only a first step.
Richard Dawkins Talks about the atheist bus campaign
I'm another atheist from FA. I am both inspired and a bit resentful of this story; bitter-sweet?
I appreciate that the student used empathy and self reflection to handle the conflict. However, theres a lack of respect in some of his words.
What does respect mean? It's accepting each other's existence, without feeling the need to change the other. It's seeing each other as a full person and thus not in need of pity for missing something. It's seeing each other as responsible for oneself, thus not in need rescuing ("saving" as Christians say).
Once respect is mastered, we can work towards the goal of common ground. Although some have said herding atheists is like herding cats, when it comes to morals and ethics, both the atheist and theist (specifically Christian in this case) communities have a lot in common. We deplore murder, rape, genocide and torture. We value a pluralistic society that is fair and just. We value safe neighborhoods. We appreciate the personal growth in interpersonal relationships and the majority of both sides find value in expressing it (ie. marriage). The majority of both sides see value in bringing new life into the world and cultivating within it fulfilling aspects of life. We value integrity and honesty. We value compassion for those less fortunate. We're concerned with human rights around the world. We're concerned with the environment and the sustainability of society's decisions. The list could go on and on. [I'd like to note that these are humanist ideals, but there are a lot of atheists who also identify as humanists.]
As for the billboard itself, it's provocative because the message is new. I've passed by hundreds of religious billboards without thinking about it. I've accepted that Christians exist, will continue to exist and there will probably always be those who proselytize. As long as my personal rights aren't infringed and I'm not harassed for my lack belief in a god, I don't take offense. I expect Christians to advertise their beliefs. An atheist advertisement is unexpected.
I think this particular bilboard is aimed towards agnostics and "fence-sitters." Addressing the probability of a god is not a new concept, but it's gotten new life lately.
I'm more a fan of the "Don't believe in god? You are not alone." billboards. Those are directly aimed at atheists to find comfort and also to "organize the ranks" so to speak. They are also good at addressing the lack of visibility and validation of atheists within society because of it's "comfort" message. Atheists do have a place within society. Atheists can contribute to matters of ethics and morals. Those billboards hint at that because they say "atheists exist."
Dawkins talks about the bus campaign on YOu Tube and talks to the London Times
From yet another atheist, this one not so 'friendly.' Most commenters have remarked on the one student who bravely contradicted the majority. But it's the majority that's the problem atheists face, particularly 'out' atheists in religiously conservative communities.
I quote from the OP:
"We should hit back with our own billboards", one yelled. "Yea, and the government shouldn't let Atheists write that kind of stuff anyway, it should be illegal", agreed another.
I kept a blank face while I listened to the students campaign for censorship and more aggressive proselytizing, but in my heart I sighed with discouragement.
That's not at all uncommon. In my own community, currently split by a hearing to terminate a fundamentalist Christian teacher who was running what amounted to a private Christian school embedded inside a public middle school, there was bullying of other students, including a Jewish student, by the teacher's student supporters, with physical violence accompanying the epithet "atheist!" being hurled at other students. Christian youth bullying non-Christian youth. And adults blathering that Catholics aren't real Christians, and that there is no separation of church and state in this country, and that "This is a Christian community."
I'm sick unto death of the arrogant public piety, the willful ignorance (one adult told me he didn't want to read any book that didn't accept young earth creationism, even from an evangelical like Francis Collins), and the faith-blind distortions of science and history I've heard in the last few months here. Let Christians look to the beams in their own damned eyes before pointing to (often non-existent) motes in atheists' eyes.
"Well, what made these people feel it was necessary to put these ads on buses in the first place? Maybe its them who are striking back, at us, not starting a fight or anything. Maybe we started it."
Christians did start it. These ads came about in response to ads on London buses and in the Underground for JESUSsaid.org, a site with this uplifting believe-or-else message:
What are the consequences if you reject the answer?
God’s wrath includes the prospect of eternal punishment – it is appointed to men to die once and then comes the judgment (Hebrews 9:27). You will rise from the dead and will face the Judge and know that you rejected His kind and merciful answer. You will be condemned to everlasting separation from God and then you spend all eternity in torment in hell. Jesus spoke about this as a lake of fire which was prepared for the devil and all his angels (demonic spirits) (Matthew 25: 41).
Ariane Sherine responded by proposing a fundraising drive for ads saying "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.", which ultimately raised £135,000.
Yet another referral from FA.
I am very encouraged to read this story. I wish more Christians had the self-awareness and intelligence of your student. Congratulations to him for finding a way to truly accept, understand, and love the atheists around him while still maintaining his own faith.
Despite some resentful comments here, I am confident that most atheists will reciprocate your students' sentiments in the spirit in which they are made. Thank you for guiding your students to a place of acceptance; it is both good morality and, from what I understand of your faith, good Christianity.
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